Just like me. Hee, hee.
"An apt description of modern liberalism. But what you describe really isn't liberalism. Why have we allowed the left to high jack this word? I would argue Locke is the true liberal. A Lockean existence is full of human folly. But somebody that believes in liberty believes that man can correct his behavior thru trial and error and understanding the consequences of his own actions. The modern Hobbsian doesn't want man to go thru that process. We are to be protected from ourselves and our vices."
From the comments to this post on Ricochet.com.
I have often thought about this same question. Locke's view, or Hobbes'? If you spend any time in society in Frederick (I do, walking around and riding TransIT) you see plenty of behavior that would (at least from my perspective) call for the leviathan of the state to crack down on the idiotic behavior of the individuals. At the same time, you see many activities where, in exercising it's existing power, the state acts as badly as the idiotic individuals.
Madison and the founders recognized this, as he wrote in Federalist 51-
"Ambition must be made to counteract ambition. The interest of the man must be connected with the constitutional rights of the place. It may be a reflection on human nature, that such devices should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions."
Among the founders there was also the understanding that for government to work, in the manner in which they were developing it, the society had to be a moral one.
John Adams-
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
George Washington-
“Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society.”
Ben Franklin-
"[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
That last quote from Franklin is scary if you look around at behavior in America today. Some time ago I had a conversation with a friend about this issue. My take on human nature (despite my Catholic faith) is that we are essentially bad and corrupt. Hers was that we are at least born neutral, and become bad through our weakness to temptation, but have just as much opportunity to be good, through our strength to resist temptation. The strength comes from what we learn as we grow. That strength comes from our parents, family, friends, teachers, mentors, coaches, pastors, etc.
I think all of us who fill those roles in our kids lives need to tune it up a notch for the Locke view to prevail.